Tuesday, January 16, 2007

Of note

Principles are what people have instead of God.

To be a Christian means among other things to be willing if necessary to sacrifice even your highest principles for God's or your neighbor's sake the way a Christian pacifist must be willing to pick up a baseball bat if there's no other way to stop a man from savagely beating a child.

Jesus didn't forgive his executioners on principle but because in some unimaginable way he was able to love them.
- Frederick Buechner, "Wishful Thinking: A Seeker's ABC"

4 Comments:

Blogger hillary said...

Dude. I totally don't buy that. If you're picking up the baseball bat, it's based on some other principle. Even forgiveness is a principle.

7:36 AM  
Blogger Holla said...

Yeah, what Hillary said. Plus, an Amish guy actually WOULDN'T pick up the baseball bat. There are pacificists out there who go "all the way" with it.

At the same time, I agree that we live too much by "abstractions" in this world, and that "principles" are often a part of that. It all depends on what one defines as a "principle." On a broad enough definition, just about everything is a principle, and so principles are unavoidable.

11:51 AM  
Blogger Jmac said...

If you're picking up the baseball bat, it's based on some other principle.

But is it? If you're completely committed to a life of non-violence, and the only way to subdue someone who is, say, beating a child, is to use some means of violence to end such a situation, are you or are you not violating this principle?

It seems like you're talking in a circle. You violate one to uphold another then.

On a broad enough definition, just about everything is a principle, and so principles are unavoidable.

Don't you mean 'in principle just about everything is a principle ...'?

12:24 PM  
Blogger hillary said...

What I mean is that God = principles, that it is impossible to live any sort of life without them. I don't think I understand anything about what that quote is saying. Or why that guy is saying it. Can you not have principles that are in conflict? I don't understand why you can't ever violate them. (But, at the same time, of course I think you shouldn't.)

10:24 AM  

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