Let's dig a bit deeper
Both are wrong ... particularly the latter. I've got nothing personal against Michigan, but I'm just not a fan. There's no incentive for me to say Michigan is better than Notre Dame, and there's no real reason for me to poormouth the Irish. It's a good program with a ton of tradition. However, my original intent was to push through all of that aura and show how Notre Dame is just like everyone else when it comes to successful college football programs.
So let me go on record as saying I'm perfectly content in letting an Irish fan argue that the tradition and pageantry of Notre Dame football is perhaps the greatest in all the land - though even that could be questioned ... they've obviously never heard "Rammer Jammer Yellow Hammer" at an Alabama game.
Before leaving the Alabama discussion, however, let me also say how absurd it is to say one of the three winningest coaches of all time isn't one of the best of his era. Dude, the coach of the year award is named after this guy.
Also, let me rise to the defense of Southern football again. I get absolutely frustrated with the whole notion that Alabama's national championships - or those of any other Southern team - are not on par with Notre Dame's or another school's because the schedule was overwhelmingly against Southeastern programs. That's an insult to this region's football which, as evidenced by the success of Miami, Florida State, Georgia, Alabama, Auburn, Tennessee, LSU, Florida and a whole host of other programs, is, without a doubt, among the best in the country. Players from the Southeast litter the rosters of schools like Notre Dame and Michigan and Southern Cal and Oklahoma, so to say it's not same caliber is laughable.
Furthermore, can we drop once and for all, the concept that you have to play outside of your region or conference to qualify for national title contention? Consider Auburn in 2004, which was shut out of the BCS Championship Game because of a 'soft' out-of-conference schedule. Southern California faced two quality teams in Virginia Tech and California, while Oklahoma defeated Texas. Auburn was penalized for its non-conference games, but defeated No. 6 LSU (the defending BCS national champion), No. 10 Tennessee and No. 8 Georgia in the regular season. The Tigers then beat Tennessee again to win the SEC championship and knocked off No. 9 Virginia Tech, the ACC champion, in the Sugar Bowl.
They may not be much for the book-learnin' ... but Carnell Williams and the 2004 Auburn Tigers could play.
The competition level in the SEC is considerably more rigorous week-in and week-out than any other conference in the country. This isn't to take anything away from the Big Ten and ACC, which are two fine conferences in their own right.
Now, as I nudge my soap box to the side, let's get back to the task at hand. Xon made the valid point of suggesting we look at what we perceive the 'modern era' of college football to be, say, after 1950. I thought this would do a disservice to Notre Dame considering how successful the program had been in the 1940s, so I decided to examine from 1940 on.
I also broke it down even further to examine the success of programs from 1980 on, seeing how this is now a complete quarter-century and allows us to evaluate the remarkable successes the Florida schools have compiled.
I had reached a tentative conclusion that, if nothing else, Michigan deserved to be at least mentioned with Notre Dame as one of the top programs of all time. So we'll start with the Wolverines.
From 1940 to the present day, Michigan has rolled up a 513-183-16 record, punctuated by three national titles. Notre Dame, in the same time span, compiled a 503-201-18 record with an astounding nine national titles, four of them captured in the 1940s. Head-to-head, the Irish lead the Wolverines 13-10-1 in this time span.
So it's a tough call. Surely Notre Dame's national championships, coupled with its impressive number of All-Americans and Heisman Trophy winners, appear to give the Irish a slight edge. However, All-Americans and Heisman Trophies are, by in large, political things and voters tend to give Notre Dame student-athletes a little more recognition than other schools (Paul Horning anyone?).
Seriously, I don't mean that as a slight, but it does make it a kinda tough category to factor in. It's a close race with Michigan having actually won more games and racking up 18 10-win seasons to Notre Dame's 11. Still the Irish hold the head-to-head advantage and a wide lead in recognized national championships.
However, perhaps we have all spoken to soon. As we take a look at some of the other 'Big Eight' teams, we see a couple rise to the top. Oklahoma compiled a ridiculous 543-181-16 mark in that time span with seven national championships. It's true the Irish did run up an 8-1 record against the Sooners, but most of those victories came in the 1960s when Oklahoma was going through a down cycle in between the coaching stints of Bud Wilkinson and Barry Switzer.
Nebraska, likewise, went 507-225-10, with most of their losses coming in the 1940s and 1950s before Bob DeVaney and Tom Osborne took the program to new heights. The Cornhuskers won five national championships, including the 1995 team which, in my opinion, is the greatest national champion of all time. Nebraska went 3-2 against the Irish, but again most of those games came in down years for both programs.
Alabama compiled a 517-209-21 mark with seven national championships (including the much-debated 1973 one), but the Crimson Tide struggled against Notre Dame in the bowl games.
And, in an omission which is sure to bother both Michigan and Notre Dame fans, Penn State has gone 520-185-12 since 1940 with two national championships and six undefeated seasons. The Nittany Lions also hold an 8-5 advantage over the Irish, but are on the short end of an 8-3 deficit to the Wolverines. As an aside, I think it's completely unfair Penn State gets looked down upon for their successes in the 1960s and 1970s. The played competitive schedules which, according to my research, routinely featured two or three ranked opponents.
Also, something to please Notre Dame fans, why in the world does Southern California get so much credit? The Trojans have a 491-219-29 mark since 1940, including a 24-35-4 record against the Irish. If it wasn't for the impressive 48-4 run the past four seasons, Southern California would be idling in the middle of the pack. As a result, I'm bumping the Trojans from the 'Big Eight' and replacing them with Penn State.
Fellas, if it wasn't for this guy, you'd be stuck with the memories of Rodney Peete.
Georgia, for what it's worth, has gone 484-239-24 with two national championships. I'd argue it's got the second-best historical program in the SEC, but we can get into that another day.
However, as I began to take a look at this, I felt this format was a bit unfair to the Florida schools which have dominated the college football landscape since 1980. The trio of Florida, Florida State and Miami have combined to win eight national championships, send hordes of players to the NFL and instigate numerous brawls in the tunnels in the past quarter-century.
Still, since 1980 Nebraska has compiled the most wins, running up a 262-63-4 mark and winning three national championships. Miami is close behind with a 255-57 record and five national championships, while Florida State is 252-63-4 with two national titles. The Cornhuskers have run up 17 10-win seasons, the Seminoles 16 and the Hurricanes 14.
Against Notre Dame, Miami is 6-4 since 1980 (but 7-15-1 overall), Florida State is 4-2 and Nebraska is 2-0.
Penn State has gone 223-88-2 with a pair of national championships, 11 10-win seasons and an 8-4 advantage over the Irish. Florida has run up a 230-83-4 record with nine 10-win seasons and a national championship.
Georgia, by the way, is 221-87-5 with 10 10-win seasons, five SEC championships and one national title.
As for Notre Dame, the Irish have gone 204-102-4 with one national championship and six 10-win seasons.
Like it or not Irish fans, one of those 10-win deals came under this guy.
It's hard to pick who's the best. Surely since 1980, there's little to suggest Miami has performed at the most consistent level. At their heyday, playing the Hurricanes was like climbing into the ring with Mike Tyson in his prime. Teams were intimidated, and the Hurricanes' dominance supports that. Five national championships is impressive.
Nebraska's run from 1994 through 1998 is perhaps one of the best five-year runs in college football history, up there with Notre Dame's success in the 1940s, Oklahoma's in the mid-1950s and Southern California's the past few years. The Cornhuskers, however, might have been the best dynasty over a short period of time. Those guys humiliated teams week-in and week-out. They abused them, and we may never see a stretch like that again.
Since 1940, though, I'm not sure if I can make a clear judgement. I can't in good faith say that Notre Dame is the premier program because I don't believe the statistics support it. If anything, I'd say rank Michigan, Notre Dame and Oklahoma evenly at the top, with Alabama, Nebraska and Penn State hovering on the second level.